White people are unique in ending slavery across the world*. Shouldnt Olusoga be writing in Ubangi bantu-language? They are stupid false for America. 1894 shipwreck confirms tale of treacherous lifeboat. My argument is that Africans were probably happily killing each other for women before the West turned up. The Sokoto Caliphate probably had as many slaves and a lot fewer free men as the Old South. Would the good professor really be so different if genealogical records could prove he had African ancestors who owned African slaves? I know. Hes welcome to pursue his line of thought but he should bear in mind that tolerance is, by its nature, in the gift of the powerful. It is about the centuries-long engagement with Africa, a consequence of which is the black presence in Britain. Married an American GI after the war. Again, not that these market forces absolve the sellers of a moral responsibility, but there is an argument occasionally deployed that slaves would have been slaves anyway. So 10.416 were sold by the Africans every month for one hundred years, There will be no peace on this issue until black people acknowledge their own responsibility for the trade. This is a moral argument. In dealing with the black contribution to the First World War, for example, he cites popular gratitude and admiration for black Britons among them Walter Tull, who fought on the Western Front. Quick and essential guide to domestic and global politics from the New Statesman's politics team. TV historian David Olusoga claims it is "palpable nonsense" to say that removing controversial statues "somehow impoverishes history". I suspect that whether records could prove it or not, its overwhelmingly likely to be true, especially since high-status individuals tend to make a bigger contribution to the gene pool. Looking at what happened in Haiti or Jamaica or chunks of Latin America, I dont find either well, could have been much worse or what do you expect, Early Modern West Europeans, how could they have known better? to be particularly convincing responses. He was a prominent figure in the campaign to abolish slavery. The strongest case I can see against reparations is not fundamentally a legal one but perhaps one degree abstracted the law if we can litigate that, we can litigate a heck of a lot of stuff from centuries past, tie our legal systems up in knots with no obvious limits in sight. In 1860, cotton goods accounted for 40 per cent of all British exports. Video, 00:02:30. if he wants to be an historian he should present a fair and realistic picture of what happened, Your email address will not be published. Nor do I think that sugar is worse than cotton. Definitely didnt die out with the Romans. The system he witnessed and wrote about was one in which human beings were worked to death. And the transatlantic slave trade? It isnt going to happen anyway. If you had spare cash or could borrow, investment in slavery was a sure winner, never mind slave rebellions or hurricanes that destroyed cane fields. They did not care much for adult males. 2023 BBC. Read about our approach to external linking. I havent said anything about my personal sense of guilt or responsibility. Slavery within West African societies being different again I dont think the places with very high rates of local slavery were anything like the sugar plantations. Women such as Elizabeth Heyrick continued to lobby for the abolition of slavery. Anglo-Saxons had slaves. Over 1000 years in Britain. Rather that certain western states, still in existence therefore potentially still liable, regulated and indeed encouraged the development of both the transatlantic slave trade and the slave-labour economic systems of the colonies, at scales that were unusual in the long and varied history of slavery, and levels of brutality that stood out too. And even if you personally disagree with it, what would be the strongest argument for some form of legal settlement? I think a case could be made. If black lives really mattered these people would be protesting the 500 shot dead so far by predominantly black men in Chicago this year. at scales that were unusual in the long and varied history of slavery, and levels of brutality that stood out too.. They may not be happy about Dresden or Hiroshima but their lives are much better. I havent the faintest idea whether slavery in the Roman controlled areas of Britain was more along the continental Roman model or retained Celtic characteristics. The following decades were taken up with popular and political rhetoric about immigration and parliamentary acts to limit blacks coming to Britain. (If the likes of SMFS believe Western society will fall apart without a return to traditional Christian-inspired values, I suggest they either don a pessimists crash-helmet or just cling on and enjoy the ride to Hell in their top-gear handcart. Both groups today, especially the former, could reasonably claim historic persecution has reduced their present income and wealth. Why are these characterizations needed? At the Treaty of Utrecht in 1713, Britain was granted the right to supply slaves to the Spanish colonies in the Americas, a right then passed on to the South Sea Company. I brought up paedophilia to demonstrate that there are things not worth my time. Eventually, 11,000 separate British slave-trading expeditions resulted in the trafficking of three-and-a-half-million Africans to the New World plantations, the greatest forced migration in modern history until the 20th century. She had no interest in esoteric discussions of the war. You should know better. The Russians do not have these problems because they are not ashamed. . See, five years ago I wouldnt have written a crass comment like that, but hey, times achanging and as financially independent with some FU-money, I dont have to worry about cancellation culture, LOL. How would Nigeria treat a foreigner like him? Thats why we get it. It was, I believe, the first book I ever bought for myself with my own money. Theres a flaw in arguments of the form frankly you should be glad I murdered your sister, since had I not done so, its quite possible though we cannot be sure that someone else would have tortured her then murdered her, which is even worse, so whos the real criminal? Which is that I still murdered your sister. A covering letter would be a courtesy but probably not a necessity. You may concede a point here, a point there. Used to be on a long-dead and much missed forum where the topics of debate ranged far wider than they do here (as did the viewpoints I think it would be useful if us right-wing brexity mob didnt chase off the sensible non-right-wing non-brexity types so much). "They're not looking to history only to make them feel good and give them comfort, but they're looking to history to tell them things about truths about their society that we have traditionally edited out of British history.". Women, denied a meaningful role in politics, formed their own organisations, writing tracts, pamphlets and poems, gathering signatures for petitions and fundraising: At certain times and in certain places they were the engine room of the movement.. Wrong ?!?! Dont even get me started on the Moors, Arabs and Ottomans, As for getting rich many African tribes kept slaves and their societies did not get rich. Like I said, as a mental exercise, if I do my best good faith effort to imagine an argument for reparations, I reckon it would concern harms committed by the state (which unlike the slave traders and owners, is still about today) and an argument that it breached some alleged fundamental/universal doctrine of law so that even the states efforts to put the slave industry on a legal footing were null and void. Its an interesting exercise to consider, given we live within such a system, how or whether that contradiction can be settled. The German survivors of Stalingrad were sent to camps and most of them worked to death. The evidence of this is that seasoned slaves, those exposed to the environment, sold for up to 50% more than new ones. And, of course, being half white, he is only entitled to half the reparation payment. His choice of subject and his choice of material make that very clear. What has Nigeria ever done for him? Peter Olusoga. 5 quotes from David Olusoga: 'On a peninsula protruding into one of the great highways of the Atlantic slave trade, a few hundred refugees from British slavery in North America were attempting to recreate the social structures of Northern Europe in the Middle Ages.', 'Time and again events and phenomena that we think we know and understand contain within them lost or camouflaged connections to . The publication in 1852 of Uncle Toms Cabin, by the American abolitionist Harriet Beecher Stowe, swelled national sympathy for the plight of black slaves. That is not true. My great grandfather fought to end slavery in a war. I imagine few do. Not many remember anything about segregation either. So this race baiter can try his guilt trip on someone else. Surely the US has already spent much more than that on black Americans. Id say theres enormous dangers in treating this as if it was some public school debating society gig. The government has said the "flexibility within the history curriculum means that there is the opportunity for teachers to teach about BAME (Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic) history across a spectrum of themes and eras" so it did "not believe it was necessary to change the curriculum". If we went down this route thered be goodness knows how much fun and games to be had with legal claims over the treatment of Irish by Cromwell, the clearing of the Highlands and so on, before you even get on to the globe-spanning imperial stuff. The many African-American abolitionists, such as Frederick Douglass, who visited Britain from the 1840s onwards, were well received and, again, thousands of people greeted them and raised money to support their cause. He previously worked at JP Morgan for 18 years in a number of senior roles and was . Rapidly promoted to sergeant, then second lieutenant, he led white British troops into action and died in 1918, having been mentioned in despatches and recommended for the Military Cross. Their cities, as well as their comfort, will rapidly decay. The people in Portland, Seattle and Kenosha are too decadent to fight back. But Ill tell you what, slavery and human sacrifice, still awful. I have done nothing. First launched in London in 1987, it aims to highlight and celebrate what black people have achieved in Britain throughout history. After decades of complaints, the Royal African Company lost its monopoly in 1712 and, Olusoga writes, Independent traders were turned loose upon the shores of Africa. These traders had argued (stone-blind to irony) that the right to enslave Africans was a defining feature of English freedom and that the Royal African Company had breached their status as free-born Englishmen. Shouldnt matter whether some long-dead relative fought long ago for or against (not at all to disparage your ancestors GC, who all sound very sound) in terms of whether somethings your fault. But morals are very transient things. Theres no point pretending Europeans who profited from either the transatlantic slave trade or the use of slave labour in the Americas were somehow doing a favour to the slaves involved, even if, as it happens but their owners could not have predicted, their surviving descendants ended up financially better off on average than the counterfactual of remaining in Africa. For almost 60 years, there was impasse. But a group of 12 disciples of Christ set out to change things. You know, entirely ignoring lifetime effects? The BBC is not responsible for the content of external sites. The South Sea bubble, the greatest financial crash of the 18th century, was intimately connected to Britains dealings with Africa, though this is rarely acknowledged by historians. Deliberately shipping that many people that far in order to participate in a newly-created society whose economic system was designed, pretty much from the ground up, around slave labour? The reason why Equiano is not a national name is because slavery is not a part of the history that we teach when it should be because I don't think you can understand the 18th century in particular but also the 19th century without reference to slavery.". "Incorporating the stories of people like Equiano is merely part of a process of looking at all of British history; not just being selective, not only going to the chapters that make us feel good about ourselves or proud.". I can then give him the details of other descendants, he can apologise to and compensate. "He was the voice of somebody who wasn't speaking about the past as a historian, but was living it. Sugar plantations were bad. The strongest argument I can see for reparations is not that white people bear some kind of ancestral blame. It died out with the Romans leaving, and its non-legality repeatedly reaffirmed from the reign of the early Normans onwards. Make sure it doesnt happen in the least costly way. Anyway, I digress, we did have at some point, a gang of pedos turn up and put their case, reasonably, and were tolerated and conversed with. It has been reissued by publishing house Hodder and Prof Olusoga has written the foreword. There is no reason to think one system was more or less brutal than the other. Both of these need proof. Later his parents separated from each other when he was just two years old. No other race / culture was willing and able to do that. Id say the same to the Black Lives Matter people. Cheap ass presentism. 7 years was the average working lifespan so it is said. Which of those societies does Olusogas ancestry come from? Particularly as nowadays anyone who dares even look at someone a few days below the age of consent is believed to be an incorrigible nonce who deserves hanging, castration, or castration by hanging. Like Fryers book, Olusogas will inspire and will come to be seen as a major effort to address one of the greatest silences in British historiography. The New Statesmans weekly environment email on the politics, business and culture of the climate and nature crises - in your inbox every Thursday. So is Richard Murphy. The details of difference are fairly minor. Theres probably more mileage in my country, or at least its historical incarnation, fought against it because unlike the actual people involved, the state is still around. Its extraordinary success rested upon the foundation of sympathy laid down during the previous 70 years of abolitionist activity in Britain. They also ran a slave trade to the Ottoman empire and white slavery in the north without any help from Europeans. And they will go looking for parts of the past that aren't on the curriculum, and they evidently do. He is the undisputed King of the Internet Pedants and Lord of the Unnecessary Snark. Prof Olusoga is not the only person who has been drawn to Equiano's story. One of the reasons why the American and Caribbean experiences were very different. And so many hundreds of thousands of British workers were directly dependent on slavery (from sailors to those who built, rigged and repaired ships) that it was easy to turn a blind eye to the inhumanity. What difference has it made? Ill disparage them. I cant see this one surviving people being expected to dig into their pockets for a few trillion. Jamaicans and Nigerians used to hate each other. They deliberately bought skewed mostly male gender balance. Dr Peter Olusoga is a Senior Lecturer in Psychology. What is their strongest argument? In that moment, his interest in history overlapped. His book is a product of that childhood terror, and partly an exploration of his condition as a black Briton. Nobody will stop you, honest. Olusoga is of half Nigerian descent. This history of the black presence in . . it was cheaper, at times, to starve people and then replace them It wasnt always so & it may not be in the future. Should black history be taught all year round? Forbes magazine's extraordinarily arrogant contributor Tim Worstall Jeremy Corbyn. John Mandeville, whose travelogue (circa 1356) was one of the most widely translated books of the later Middle Ages, presented Africans as naked savages living amid heaps of gold to which they gave no value. Instead the racket still goes on with endless boatloads of illegals swarming into Europe. I generally reckon cant blame me, my distant relative was on your side arguments are pretty weak since relying on a doctrine of virtues of the fathers risks implicitly accepting sins of the fathers. Those who grew rich on slavery and the slave trade were not neutral and no achievement or act of philanthropy justifies airbrushing their involvement from history. It may have made sense for the SS to starve labourers to death. So how much have considered paedophilia? The Barbados slave code of 1661 stripped Africans of all human rights, and set out ways in which they were to be punished, to exert control over their labour (mutilation of the face, slitting of nostrils, castration, execution). is that the extra demand distorted the market, led directly to more armed slave-raiding expeditions against rival tribes and so on.. But those were in those long-lost days when democrats and republicans could talk to each other and agree to disagree while both leaving the conversation a little the wiser.. So he calls himself a Geordie. The argument isnt whether historical slavery was right or wrong or who should accept responsibility for it. We could just cut to the chase, and impose a reparations tax on anyone who is descended from from anyone who did something, er, wrong. Then the second. Well whats the point of pretending it doesnt also induce moral disgust in me, just in case someone mistakes it for guilt, or an admission of liability? So wherever the wealth came from, it wasnt just slavery (or even mainly), Olusogas an alright presenter but a class A race hustler, Edward Lud August 30, 2020 at 9:12 am We could just cut to the chase, and impose a reparations tax on anyone who is descended from from anyone who did something, er, wrong.. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. TV presenter David Olusoga has told the Edinburgh TV Festival his career had sometimes left him feeling "crushed, isolated," and "disempowered". not at all to disparage your ancestors GC. Hey, we do not even have to go that far. Should almost go without saying except of course that it doesnt, since clearly not every culture has the same moral gut reaction to it that I do. Dr Peter Olusoga is a senior psychology lecturer at Sheffield Hallam university. Over 150 years in America. Pope Nicholas V gave his blessing, so long as the Vatican benefited. Like I said before, tolerance is in the gift of the powerful. Nevertheless, we live in a society that generally regards slavery as an absolute and eternal wrong, and a grave one at that, yet which has historically (at least certain people and places, and including the state itself) benefited from imposing slavery on others. The answer is money. But there have been other societies with slavery where slaves had more autonomy and a greater chance of buying their freedom. Get back to me in seven years, when youre ready to order. Hundreds of White women raped every day. Maybe Europeans did increase demand. We do not know for sure. They are now CM scum and couldnt care less about America. By a Senegalese author: The veiled genocide = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jxc5ENT8ajg, MyBurningEars August 30, 2020 at 11:52 am Slavery within West African societies being different again I dont think the places with very high rates of local slavery were anything like the sugar plantations. The novel became the bestselling book of 19th-century Britain; it was adapted for the theatre and generated mass-produced merchandise playing cards, jigsaws, tableware. Olusoga poses as an objective historian and says he is not there to bring comfort to people. Fired by religious feeling, they embarked on a campaign of public education and political lobbying unprecedented in scale and revolutionary in nature. Prof Olusoga says statues, such as those of slave traders . The book accompanying. Over 1000 years in Britain. The Westman Islands of Iceland have an interesting history in terms of European slavery a major rebellion of presumably mostly Irish (Westmen) slaves was put down there in the typically brutal Scandinavian manner, hence the name, but in the 1600s the local inhabitants were themselves enslaved by Barbary pirates and taken to Algiers, from where a few were ransomed back and one wrote about the experience. Quite possibly slave-raiding Gaels before that. We aint paying no goddam reparations & no-ones gonna make us. H istorian and broadcaster David Olusoga has been the face of a decolonial turn in British broadcasting that, in recent years, with series including the Bafta-winning Britain's Forgotten Slave. Though I dont know where wed get $12 trillion in Confederate currency. "The small minority whose history had been airbrushed out of the national story recovered that history with the help of their allies and then broadcast it, spread it into our national conversation and they did that within the space of half a century. I personally dont find that as convincing as the case that slaves themselves deserved compensation, and while there were strong political and practical reasons owners were compensated upon abolition but not their former slaves, it doesnt leave a great moral taste in the mouth that twas so. For some peculiar reason possibly because theres a section of Western society has become very insecure about its own position its being some credence. To me personally, this is the thing. That was when the Democrats were still Americans. Tull played professional football for Northampton but instead of signing up for Glasgow Rangers, he enlisted. Then dont discuss it. Not sure theyd do that with modern sensibilities mind you. Thy did not try to grow or raise the next generation. Im not even saying thats a convincing argument, it has some very serious weak points, just that I reckon its a stronger one than a general appeal about current inequality. Away from the creative arts, the Equiano Project aims to promote race equality and he was mentioned in Parliament during a debate on Black History and Cultural Diversity in the Curriculum. A House Through Time returned to BBC Two in May for its third season, and once again is fronted by historian extraordinaire David Olusoga. I know there are posters on here who see stepping into their opponents perspective as a dangerous and pointless endeavour that gives undue worth to a viewpoint they despise, but purely as a mental exercise theres usually something to be said for examining your opponents strongest argument instead of their weakest. Joining them is Psychologist and Lecturer at Lancaster University, Dr David Tod, for a fascinating conversation about the psychology of acting. Might, in this case, being 100% of the debating point. Olusoga has benefited from and added significantly to the work of Fryer and other historians such as James Walvin. I was uncomfortable using it. You lost those two. Olusoga patterns his narrative after Fryers, starting with the North African presence in Roman Britain. Now Im trying to imagine just what the strongest case for reparations might be, but even in this thought experiment its hard to see what the eligibility criteria for receiving payment should be, what sum should be due, how much proof is required of eligibility not everyone will have a good set of family records etc. Prof Olusoga says statues, such as those of slave traders . That assumes an increase in demand. And the third, fourth, fifth, and so on. 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