Thanks again. Thanks, The charge pressure fault is probably due to the the vanos fault,,,,it looks like you replaced all the general stuff already and you are sure the timing is correct,,,,,you said the engine had low water damage what does that mean,,,is it possible the exhaust camshaft is binding,,,,you might want to check the exhaust camshaft journal caps. Thoughts?? One other odd problem during this time was the oil level test did not work. Connect scan tool to the 16-pin data link connector (DLC) located underneath the steering column. Im not really sure its my 2012 BMW 320i (F30) probably produced from 05/2012 affected by this or not as its did not show in the list. I saw a video where the chap replaced it without the locks and I thought it was an easy DIY. Im planning to buy a used 2015 BMW X3 xDrive 28i and its in the list. Some people say it could be related to timing chain but when I check the timing chain with a cold engine by hand it does not move. I have done my timing chain after finish car starts up runs but would not idle until cel come on. All wiring lines are good. Hello, procedure outlined below. Ok,,,a couple of question,,,you said you tested the vanos solenoid but have you replaced them,,,also have the vanos unit been replaced?,,,,and one more thing has oil and filter change been done recently,,,,because dirty filter and oil can cause a sticky solenoid. Thanks you! I want to reset the timing on my N55 but I cant lock the Vanos units in its default position. The fault returns when its hot outside and comes back even faster when I turn on the air conditioning. One last question about dirty oil. Hi, I have a 2014 BMW 428i X drive coupe. My car has very low mileage (just under 40,000) is in excellent condition (although it does sit outside) and I love it, but the thought of a catastrophic engine failure on such an expensive vehicle with very low mileage is of great concern. U tell me, BMW my have a governor,,,but you still can over rev the engine,,,,it is a strange design that doesnt work,,,but I think BMW did this way so they can blame the customer for over reving the engine and not paying for a blown engine. I know I might be looking at replacing Vanos Actuator, central valve or the whole vanos unit. I guess I can continue to enjoy the car and see what happens or sell it. Hi, Hello there. 2D56 VANOS, exhaust, starting from cold: Position not reached As the outgoing N52 and N53 were reliable engines, the BMW N20 had big shoes to fill, especially given its turbocharged design. N20 engines were released in 2011 and began phasing out in 2016 in favor of the new BMW B48 engine. Do I have to buy the extended warranty to get the timing chain replaced by BMW or the 7/70 warranty is for all bmw? Most auto repairs shops charge between $75 and $150 per hour. Rather it is no cost extended warranty in Canada. 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Hey, I have a 2014 BMW 428i (F32 with an N20 engine) it is just under 70k around 61,000 I believe and it looks like it was manufactured in 9/2013. Or anything else you have come across? But thats not what happened. Yes you have a 2015 you have a better chance of no timing chain issues. CAUSE if you can direct me in the right path I will really appreciated . It possible a software issue,,,we have seen that before. What would happen if I resent the adaptations with increment wheel/. It revs fine but with the turbo disabled a drive around the block is at a pedestrian pace. Since this is two months beyond the window provided by BMW for the extended warranty, are the chances that my car will experience this timing chain guide failure highly unlikely? How do I approach the dealer saying I hear a noise and whatnot for them to fix it while it is still under warranty? 96K views 5 years ago The BMW N54 and N52 typically have the most issues with this. or code:131501 VANOS, intake, cold start: not controllable. The boost control fault is caused by the vanos fault,,,you need to check into the the vanos faults to see whats going on. My engine is N52 The improved DME software was introduced Your really helpful : So how do I know when its time for a update. They look ok. Do you think it can be a ECU or software related issue? 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Hi bmwtechnician, Thanks. F30 Coul it be timming change or leak some where? You are correct almost all the problem are in the States,,,all the engines are built in the same plant,,,there is a good chance that the fuel is the cause of these problems,,,,yes it is a good thing your car is not on the list. 130304 It gave the code 2D61 VANOS Outlet control, position not reached. 2011 BMW 535i [0.00] 535i drivertrain malfunction. Yes you can check the oil pressure,,,also when the mechanic performed the timing chain repairs the oil pan was off and hopefully he checked the oil pump screen for and debris and cleaned it out. What could be the problem? Nic. I dont think they will take your picture as evidence,,,,but you could give it a try it wouldnt hurt, Hello- But that is all. Hello and thank you for your various articles on the n20 engine. I took it to the bmw for a diagnostic and they said that Im just better off replacing the engine than trying to find out what is wrong with the car. N20 and N26 Engine: Various VANOS System Faults Stored in DME I know there has been a lot of people complaining to BMW NA about this problem,,,I think there is a case where people are trying to sue BMW over the timing chain issue,,,one of the problems is none of the other BMW have this problem only the N20-N26. Its hard to say without performing some test with a diagnostic equipment. one of the plug had corroded pins due to leaking pigtail from that Dinan harness and i got the DME clone. Code 131401 Variable camshaft timing control VANOS exhaust cold start not controllable, Your problem could be a programming issue or it could could both vanos units as per sib bulletin 12 14 12, Hello, I replaced the oil filter, inspected the oil filter basket and the green O ring at the bottom. when he took a test drive, the codes again cam back. So I thing exhaust vanos is not working, or not working correctlycan I get in touch with you? Andreas first and foremost thank you for sharing your knowledge. Its a possibility that the motor could be saved,,,,but it would take a lot of money and time,,,there has been some people of done their own DIY and fixed the engine depending on what is damaged,,,if it is just the timing chain,rails , oil pump and hopefully the bearing arent bad and no damage to the pistons and valves the repairs might not be that bad,,,,you have to realize you have 176k miles which is a lot.,,,and what about the transmission is that next to fail? The Bank 1 on the definition refers to the side of the engine that has the cylinder #1. Also can sparkplugs have any influence to this situation? I don't drive the car very aggressively, however i noticed that it didn't pull as hard as it used to a couple of days leading to the drivetrain malfunction. What codes would come up when the timing chain fails? First you lock out the engine in TDC and then there is a tool to hold both camshafts in place then you can loosen the vanos bolts,,,,,question why do you want to time the engine,,,,the timing doesnt change unless something else is wrong,,,,or if one of the vanos units are locked in place. Yes I have seen some engines survive,,,,it just hard to say what damage was done to the engine and how bad it is,,,,and is it worth fixing. https://www.bmwtis.net/tiscode/cgi-bin/bulletin.aspx?sie_path=/tsb/bulletins/htm_store/158 1/6/2014 The car has 103,000 miles. Hi, thank you for the reply. Yes that crack in the timing chain guide should be enough to replace the timing chain and guide rails,,,,the way we decide if the car is covered is by whine noise,rattle noise,broken pieces of timing chain guide,,,how before we get the extended warranty that is hard to say,,,it all depends on the legal side of the lawsuit Im sorry to say. Hello again, hope you having great day!! The oil was black though. Did they use a different timing chain guide before 06/2012 ? 131501-VANOS inlet, cold start not consolable. 2: 12A701 Catalytic converter downstream oxygen sensor, electrical fault: circuit short to battery (+) Yes it does not say no signal. I have a 2015 x1 with an April 2015 manufacture date. Im sorry,,,and I hate how BMW has handled the whole problem with the N20-N26 engine and timing chain issue,,,I understand your frustration with BMW and how they didnt take care of this known problem. You can't just bolt it up and clear the fault. Location: Chicago. The engine start ok. no misfiring. Any comments/tips on both, car only has 49k miles. Thank You very much for the reply !! 131401 VANOS, exhaust, starting from cold: Non-adjustable Table 2 - Engine N20 and N26 Fault codes Model ISTA/P version / Target Integration Level All (see attachment) I12 2.53.0 / I001-14-07-500 or higher Fault codes Model ISTA/P version / Target Integration Level All (see attachment) except faults 2D55 or 131501 E84, E89 2.53.0 / E89X-14-07-500 or higher F10 2.53.2 / F010-14-07-503 or higher F15 . Engine also has forged crankshaft with 4 counterweights that is installed with shift. The extended warranty runs out in December. repairs to the engine valve train assembly. Labor Operation: Labor Allowance: Description: The update can only be done at the dealer,,,you will only need a update if there is some kind of BMW recall on software or if at anytime your car might need some other repair which might call for a update for the repairs.,,,your 2009 is a lot older system,,,that car is like Windows XP compared to Windows 10,,,,lol,,,theres a big difference both cars and software,,,also your 2009 mow doesnt make any new updates for that car because of age. Ok heres another vanos unit off a 2011 328 N51 engine,,,,this is the intake vanos unit that is now in several pieces,,,,the customer was just driving on the highway when the engine just lost power. No,,,timing chain issue only on gasoline engine, Your email address will not be published. Can the timing chain issue be identified through scoping? This situation can occur as a customer complaint, or after performing As many have said before, thank you for your very valuable insights and information. also by any chance would you know the torque specs for this bolts? I've done exactly the same thing and caused this issue by replacing the timing chain tensioner. i am getting the following error codes on my 2013 BMW X3 (107k miles): https://youtu.be/Frj0a82XfDo, He did not notice any whining- but do you hear whining in this second video? Nope,,,,its up to the dealership to make the call for BMW if they will fix the timing chain issue on your car under the TSB. This website is not affiliated with BMW AG in any way, and should not be confused with the websites of BMW AG, BMW M GmbH. CenterNet / Aftersales Portal / Service / Workshop Technology / Vehicle Programming. should I buy timing lock kit to lock the cams and cranksshaft in place? It started during a hot day waiting at a traffic light. It is possible without the timing tools, but if you risk needing to re-time the engine if something moves. Is there a or way trick to clear the code without seeing a mechanic or using a code reader?ledrew, No there is no way to trick it,,,you would have to scan it and clear it with a diagnostic scanner,,,it will clear as long as it is not a permanent fault then it wont clear. The VANOS cold start faults would reappear within 15 seconds of startup. Ive got a 2014 320i with 36,000 miles. Or turbo charger, Do you guys fix the issue ?! Four months later I got a drive train malfunction that turned on then went away after a day. P0115; BMW 10AA40 Coolant-temperature sensor, electrical: no signal P112A; BMW 10AA50 Coolant-temperature sensor, plausibility: engine temperature in rel. has reduced power output. I went to the shop today to see what codes it was and i got a code: P13C0. Direksiyon kilidi/Kontak alteri BMW paralar 47738. The first start up gave many more codes but I have cleared the fault codes several times and these two appear along with the consequence fault code of 120408 Charge pressure control off. I just purchased a 2016 228i xDrive Cabriolet (manufactured in Germany) with 46k kilometers for my wife. 'nhUO}gFXA}_+7"F.\ztVw@%/`>vny#(`YN:2ed_zI.. within the BMW Certified Pre-Owned Limited Warranty and this coverage extends beyond the Any thoughts!!! i took it to a euro car guy that i know he flashed the transmission and that solved the problem, did you get it sorted I, having the same faults. Now getting error 131501. Since the picture was taken by me not by the dealer. Then I used ISTA and diagnosed the exhaust side. The cost of diagnosing the P052B BMW code is 1.0 hour of labor. The Service Engine Soon lamp and Engine Malfunction warning are illuminated, and the vehicle Seems like the locking pins are stuck. Thank you!! E84 and E89: no hesitation. Labor operation code 00 00 006 is a Main labor operation. It should show something like incorrect angle/position. DME. He indicated it was a timing chain waiting to fail- do you agree? If it is not on the list then it is not covered under that bulletin,,,but BMW does have some other programs,,,you need to go to the dealer and have your key remote reader performed and it will say if you are covered for any timing chain defects. The head mechanics at BMW Santa Monica have no idea either. It all depends are your production date of your car,,,you can also tell the dealer about this bulletin. Yes you need to buy the camshaft locking tools,,,,the timing will slip,,,,you need a t-stat also,,,,the charge pressure fault may be due to the vanos unit,,,,the trailer issue is a random fault,,,,hope this helps. Everything works, radio, windows, Locks. I reside in Alberta as well. I would go to the dealer and have the engine scanned to see what fault came up,,,better to be safe then sorry. This could be a fuel issue,,,but BMW is not saying anything about the problem. Other engines may have this same scenario, but it's not typical. Are there many vehicles that run on ethanol in the United States? Do you think is this something related to eccentric shaft sensor? 131501 VANOS, intake, starting from cold: Non-adjustable 131808 VANOS, exhaust, starting from cold: Position not reached . Today my engine shut off while I was driving. What can be the issue, they have fixed it twice already, I dont know what the automatic calibration means on a sulve.,,,on this P3195 code that isnt a factory code so I dont know what it means,,,you said BMW fixed the radiator what did they do to the radiator,,,,did they replace it,,,,you could have a t-stat issue causing a temperature problem with the radiator,,,or a water pump issue,,,,I need BMW codes,,, not P codes. I manually crank engine over few time but after start it always goes retarded on exhaust cam shaft. Cheers, Also, I had the whole transmission replaced at 42K miles when I bought it. I can of course record my engine startup if thatll let you know the case). I cannot seize why the 320i has the issue however 220i should be similar engine N20 and not listed is it because of different KWH or what ? 2008 BMW 128I [0.00] Check engine light DTC 131501. New chain and guides and so far no problems. I took it to the dealership for a diagnostic test and check-up. They are similar to those that are used in BMW N55. I ended up scanning and getting below codes. Entdecken Sie SKF VKMA38227 Keilrippenriemensatz Keilriemen Satz Keilriemensatz fr BMW in der groen Auswahl bei eBay. Maybe not as loud as before but still noisy. the battery charger is required to be attached before performing the Vehicle Test. It would get to 17% and quit. Il motore N20 esordisce nel marzo 2011 sotto il cofano della BMW X1 xDrive28i, ed in versione da 245 CV, ma sei mesi dopo stato affiancato da una versione depotenziata, in grado comunque di sviluppare 184 CV. PROCEDURE The tensioner sometime start to malfunctioning due to lack of motor oil (it is actioned by the oil pressure). Cloning means making full copy of ISN files from original DME and copy it over to use DME, So what happens if the ISN files are corrupted and you just copied it over to the other DMEare the pins damaged on the original DME ,,,or are the connection on the harness damage,,,,we just had a car last mouth where the harness was damaged for the fuel injector signals causing fuel to dump,,,the harness was damaged on the connector for the DME,,,you might have to perform OHM test on the harness to make sure the harness and connections are good. Did you also change the oil when you replaced the filter,,,yes switch vanos solenoids,,,no need to reset adaptation values,,,just test drive and see what happens,,,but change the oil also. Most likely you have broken timing chain guides and the whole timing set will need to be replaced. 2D5B VANOS, intake, control fault, position not reached Hello! reference point is the same? Hello BMW Technician, I have a 2011 BMW 535i with N55 engine. The cam is at -18 degrees and not changing. 176000km is only 110000 miles, that is a shame that such a nice compact power house(N20/N26 that is) can go bust in such young age, BMW really should step up and recall all the affected N20/N26 with defective parts. This will likely be the first and last BMW I will ever own. The dealership should be interested in fixing it because it means money for the tech and for the dealership,,,,that doesnt make any sense. https://www.bmwtis.net/tiscode/cgi-bin/bulletin.aspx?sie_path=/tsb/bulletins/htm_store/158 1/6/2014 designates changes to this revision The actual degree values for both varied by a few degrees and the actual angle shown is my average value. I still have under 70k miles and not reached 7 years. The short version of this story is that the car is working now. 2D60 VANOS, exhaust, control fault, camshaft jammed 01-18-2020, 01:07 PM #2 mandd Autobahn East Join Date Im more concerned with the multiple vanos codes which happened after the fact. My service guy called and told me to sell the car immediately because oil wasnt circulating through the engine and eventually it would seize. check out the. F10, F25, F30, F31 and F34: The year of 2012 was a year of impending upgrades in . If BMWNA does not fix this N20/N26 TC issue, a chunk of remaining faithfuls will deflect to other brands. The boost disable was cleared by itself. My car, BMW 320i 2014 with N20 Engine, with 33K Miles on the clock, is just broke down with a drive train error. They also got me up to speed on the known timing chain issues, extended 7yr/70,000 mile extended warranty and class action lawsuit stuff. Please note the displayed battery voltage reading in the repair order comments section.
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