memory loss, mental/mood/behavior changes (such as new or worsening depression, abnormal thoughts, thoughts of suicide, hallucinations, confusion, agitation, aggressive behavior, or anxiety).. Some until their death beds. But it is even harder when those left behind form a militia to hunt down and fire at anyone who dares to question the paradigm. He is married to Lynne Hybels since 1974. That is where I had to start over. A lot of people find security and safety in that. They need to do some reading. Really? There is a reason that big names get away with so much. I have to think, absolutely have to think, that a courageous leader sure wouldve done things differently in the last month, whether Hybels is totally clean and all of these women leaders in the church and old friends of Bill are part of a vast conspiracy to destroy Bill Hybels, the righteous man, or if Hybels is dirty and all along was an abusive sociopath and terminal liar. Is it possible that Bill Hybels encouraged the leadership of women in order to increase his own access to women who admired him within the confines of church business, giving him plausible deniability? Just published over on Spiritual Sounding Board, a list of key links on Willow Creek/Bill Hybels situation official statements by individuals and organizations directly involved, Chicago Tribune article series, and other writers (mostly survivor bloggers) who offer summaries, critical analysis, and comments. But if you read Jodies clever rant, take ortberg name out of the picture and just think about what the culture was like there. People not in the mega inner circle world dont understand it. You are just nailing it. I now see how this happened for years, and I never saw it. "Willow Creek is known for its health and vitality as a faith community," he said. Rags to Riches to Rags in three generations. Number of accusations (so far) He describes how the skilled offender plans the way he will abuse the woman from day one. (Source: https://vondadyer.weebly.com/blog/vonda-dyers-statement-re-chicago-tribune-and-bill-hybels). They adopted the commercial business approach. So pastor rock stars are way more dangerous. The elders at Willow Creek Community Church tonight sent an email to congregants, stating that the church is "heartbroken" over the "abuse" of a congregant. At what point did Nancy inform her husband? You make a valid point, ishy. . If he was having problems with women when taking Ambien, why didnt he stop taking it and get help? (Dee), TELL YOUR DOCTOR if you have unlikely but serious side effects of Ambien including: Lets go a little deeper. That is a huge red flag. I had the Willow Creek model thrust down on my church over 25 years ago. Many of them rented out old Walmart stores and added satellite campuses with downlinks. Tonight we wept in sadness for all the people closely associated with this story, yes, even for Bill and Lynn and for their adult children. Brad Brucker wrote: The worst that often has happened is some vague mumbled half-apology or copping to a general misunderstanding. The issue with those who had represented themselves before God and man as being in a place of spiritual authority with the responsibility tojudgment were made public spin). Founding and Senior Pastor Bill Hybels preaches during a service at Willow Creek Community Church on Jan. 13, 2018, in South Barrington . I dont care if its what you like to do. We still do not know what that really means. he is still a . Senior 501(c)3 Willow Creek management apparently did not throughly examine the extent of the personal witness/testimony/allegations at the time of presentation. Family. Driscoll will do quite well in charismatic ranks. An honest person has nothing to hide and everything to gain and will save things because he is safe in the knowledge that evidence will only prove his innocence. Just wondering??? Not out of God directly pushing the SMITE button, but that Davids actions set chains of events in action that later came around to bite back HARD. Just wondering??? Excellent comment! Or would he start looking for material for making a whip? They called people out who were lying, as well as inappropriate practices in the churches.]. Let me give you some good news. Wow!!! It does not promise moonlight, roses and a string quartet. I hope you are right about this. It is now obvious to me why Ortberg not only believed the accounts of the other victims but why she advocated for them. Convinced and groomed like Good Little Suckers/Easy Marks. Rather, I think it is their twisted view of both God and humanity. Interesting how you get it, but those in high places do not. Either way, and knowing or assuming all this to be accurate, why would any man have his hands on women in ways that are open to suspicion if they are trying to stay out of trouble, either real or unjustly so accused? The issue with that is that its not like the secular world, in which after perps have done their time, they can make a living in their field of avocation (though in the case of fraud perpetrators and/or crimes with victims, future funds may be diverted to said victims). So much for their Christian wittiness, huh? Everyone who is still there from the elders to the lowliest either thinks like this or doesnt dare open their mouth. Sometimes you have to look into the darkness in order to see that God is still present and at work. Brad, given my age, their is a high probability that I was taking college bible class before you were born. The creep factor never ceases to amaze me. (Because it was awkward to say no and why would I think a great man of God I had known for so long would be creepy.) Hybels chief goal seems to have been to get his sexual needs met without negotiation. I refuse to answer the question How many people have you led to Christ? That question has no place in our discussions, Only in Christianese One-Upmanship My Piles Bigger Than Yours!. My husband was so proud that he got to met the Bill Hybels and was so happy that he got to talk to him and have his picture taken with Bill Hybels. That should be shut down with extreme prejudicepun definitely intended. The fact that just a bunch of us posting our opinions on blogs can cause such a ruckus tells me we are touching infected nerves.. I think Bill Hybels is an intelligent man. As it has been stated in widening circles of social media, under these circumstances (such as: improper investigation, witness discounting/tampering/intemadation, and most important lack of following scriptural guidelines) the Willow Creek 501(c)3 church organization by many credible voices has been deemed/proscribed as no longer a(n) safe or scriptural place to attend or be a part of. Thats the thing; note the commonality of the golden parachute disembarking in these cases. Dimensions: 0.6" x 5.4" x 8.0" Age Range: 18 years and up Paul Aurandt Jr. Best Study Bible! In lego marvel rescue minifigure What I am remembering, and what troubled me then, is how these well-meaning people fell under the Willow Creek spell, and how their little, creaky, boring churches could not compete with the new mega entertainment center. That length is reserved for the husband/wife relationship, comforting someone, or greeting someone close whom you havent seen in a long time. I refuse to answer the question How many people have you led to Christ? That question has no place in our discussions. He is the founding and former senior pastor of Willow Creek Community Church in South Barrington, Illinois, one of the most attended churches in North America, with an average attendance of nearly 24,000 as of late 2018. Ill assume you mean well and are somewhere back in that stage where youre still denying. The one about J. Ortberg? I truly hope that WCC reexamines who they are. They collected funds for widows and orphans, and then distributed those funds as promised. There is a legal concept called spoliation of evidence, which refers to the destruction or withholding of evidence whether done intentionally or accidentally. The scripture I quoted was word for word out of the bible. @ #UnbiblicalPaths: I stayed silent, but I now see that Im not alone. Only those who walk in darkness need to hide what they are doing. Thanks Clockwork Angel! So, does that mean the alleged improprieties, at least for them, are not #Metoo worthy offenses? Boundaries, anyone? And you re-evaluate. No!! I can assure her that never once was I assaulted, harassed etc. If you want to highlight, in every comment, this is not your blog. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+5&version=NIV, I have already passed judgment in the name of our Lord Jesus on the one who has been doing this. Shaping a church this way is an abomination, puts Hybels in very dangerous territory. I assume you mean well. Now it seems we have a culture of corruption at Willow Creek from the Top-Down. And actually, it was the Holy Spirit that empowered Peter to be so bold that made it happen. I dont see this issue is white or black hats. he shoveled my walkway and came to the neighborhood potlucks? Its never about us, but always focused on Jesus the Perfecter of our faith. His third publisher, Zondervan, has not yet responded to inquiries. It alarmed me to learn that Nancy Ortberg was also the subject of Bill Hybels unwanted attention and actions. These people have patience for the long con. See, here is the problem . Good night!!! Why are you slamming the Bride of Christ? This is exactly what I had in mind!? Does this have any bearing on whether or not Bill Hybels was a sociopath, an abuser, a phony, a hypocrite, a philanderer? The retiring pastor calls it all collusion and lies. Eloquence is a gift from God, but it is only the Holy Spirit working through the folly of proclaiming Christ crucified that ever won a single soul. Why is Willow Creek exempt? She bears serious emotional scars to this day, several decades later. Nancy, like Vonda, believed her experience with Bill was an isolated incident. So done. This stemmed from a Gospel of Personal Salvation and ONLY Personal Salvation (everything else was All Gonna Burn) where the only thing God would ask on J-Day was How Many Souls Did YOU Save? and the numbers in your sales record would be all that determined your position and rank in Heaven. Bill Hybels touched me, hugged me invited me to his room I left then went to my hotel room and cried.. William Hybels (born December 12, 1951) is an American church figure and author. In light of the testimonies of additional women who suffered his unwanted attentions, the only remaining question is how many women were victimized and how long has this been going on. OK. Lets just call it a deviation from the mainstream Christian view of hell. It creates an incredible amount of cognitive dissonance. Drawing as much of the world into church as they can, while still appearing to be Christian. @ Davis and Natasha: He told me to sit down and put my feet up. I dont want to think poorly of John Ortberg too. Jesus Christ is the assessory. A former minister of mine would give the teenage girl side hugs, which put his hand in a place it shouldnt have been. Yep. A cheap way to expand. That is my point. And Long Prayers will be said for justification. Its evidence. Hes probably kicking himself for the missed opportunity! So, why were Hybels emails so important that they had to be deleted? Read the Bible. And with Invocation of GAWD subbing for the Ludes and Roofies. 1 comment deleted. How many do you want, Brad? Pulling the of the devil card is vintage playbook. I am thankful for the hard work Bill Hybels and his family have done. It just did not need to be a science or a manufactured event. If he was having problems with women when taking Ambien, why didnt he stop taking it and get help? "He told me what he thought about how I looked, very specifically, what he thought about my leadership gifts, my strengths," she told the Tribune. So Im now wondering. I hope so. If she ever blew the whistle on his evil-doing, he had prepared in advance the excuse he would give to the elders in his church: I had taken Ambien! Do you want to know about Bill Hybels. It all led me to focus on several things with the kids:. From the website, its all sunshine and lollipops but the mask is really starting to slip. Where I work we are required to use the company secure email system if sending high or moderate risk information (e.g., social security numbers, credit card numbers, student records, health information). On the surface, an extended hug may seem harmless, even though deep down it creeps you out a little. Strange things are happening on Twitter on this case. This easy-to-follow guide for enjoying a happy, healthy, and lifelong relationship includes . The statement was wrong in every way and since there is a great possibility that the group is very concerned and just seeking truth. Who would I tell? I do not attend Willow Creek but I have friends who do, and Ive taken friends and family there in the past, hoping their seeker friendly focus might appeal to them. That is common respect for other people. Hes clearly a narcissistic predator, and I feel so horrible for his victims, his family, and especially those for who the spell hasnt been broken yet and whom he will continue to abuse. WHAT EVIDENCE? I read it that Jesus was doing the moderating. Fast forward to a point where a number of people are coming forward sharing *the same experience. God is always present, even in the hard and dark times. There are many similar type of things over the years I did not mention. Note how often those being accused are the old dogs, gone or soon to be gone from the public eye anyway. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brothers eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? (That last one is pure fun in a mega church because you have to trust the elders/boards. (Big clue there, folks) And people will do that by making the others, worse. Much Prayer as God makes all things clear. Its The guy at church who wants a side hug. ", © 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022 - The Wartburg Watch. A very misunderstood view of redemption; repentance and forgiveness is taught out there especially in seeker Megas. Steve Carter (Hybels hand picked teaching padtor) does not have the best reputation either. The contents might be encrypted, and, if a key used to decrypt them is lost (or not handed over), they arent readable. The church Elders allowed Bill to stay in an unsupervised counseling relationship with her, while neither her husband nor Bill's wife was made aware of the situation. Marquet changed the Leader-Follower traditional naval paradigm to Leader-Allocate Control, resulting in success for all. It took her a long time to get up the courage to say enough was enough. 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