When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. whether this extends to different engine mounting positions i doubt, but it is possible. While there Auto-Gruppen persuaded the turbocharged 3.2 L Mercedes M104 inline-six into making 953 hp and 1081 Nm (797 lb-ft) of torque to the wheels on 2.14 bar (31 psi) of boost from a EFR9180 turbocharger. you have a 2.6 sportline 5spd they are super had to come by( ask me how i know) i would leave it alone and do the maintenance to it. Mine isn't an LE though, just a 190e sportline. Ok got it all nearly wrapped up this past week, around 60 hours or so to turn key M104. How to get your M119 5.0L V8 running optimally? The car rides on a Wisefab front and rear suspension with BC Racing adjustable coilovers. Mercedes M104 make a good tuning project and with carefully chosen sports modifications like remapping, turbo upgrades and camshafts you will substantially increase your driving opportunities. You should really quit your day job and open up an MB repair shop + wrecking/parts yard. For those unfamiliar with the project, it's powered by a turbocharged 3.2 L M104 inline-six producing 800 horsepower and 930 Nm (685 lb-ft) of torque and Tex Racing T101a . W203 Mercedes M104 3.2 TURBO Build In 10 Minutes (The German 2JZ) Ricer Benz 3.94K subscribers Join Subscribe 1.4K Share 85,007 views Apr 16, 2022 2004 Mercedes W203 with a M104 3.2l swap &. He is an electrical wizard. Not needed anyhow. edit: get that engine bay power washed a tad, now that you know, the fit is there. We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. Let's see .. Palli, you're in the correct forum. The work in the trunk involved installing a new fuel cell, fold-down radiator, expansion tank, and tubular structure. 1990 190E 2.6 oil pressure problem uh-oh! Source: VRP Fab (large build gallery) via ESD reader Piotr. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Hello S70/2, Im new to this forum, well any forum in fact but I need a lot of help, Im currently undertaking an m104 hfm swap, the motor is in and have managed to wire it to the extent where it turns, fuel pump responds to m104 fp relay but cant seem to get it to spark, Ive currently taken all the wirering back out to start again, I have full wirering diagrams printed out, one thing Im confused with is how the ecu is supplied with power? engine alone. For those unfamiliar with the project, its powered by a turbocharged 3.2 L M104 inline-six producing 800 horsepower and 930 Nm (685 lb-ft) of torque and Tex Racing T101a four-speed dogbox. So my question and a big debate in my mind is how practical it is for a swap of M119 from a 1992 500 SL. The car is powered by a 3.2 L M104.992 inline-six using stock pistons, forged 144 mm rods, main girdle, custom intake and exhaust manifolds, custom dry sump system, and BorgWarner EFR 9180 turbocharger. The sedan originally came with a 3.0 L M103 12v inline-six but was replaced with a 3.0 L M104.980 24v inline-six. Hi i'm looking for some information on swapping my w201 (2.0 automatic) for a manual 2.8 m104. This BMW E46 has spent the past two years being built by VRP Fab in Lublin, Poland for drifting. I would like to put an engine in mine that puts out at leat 300maybe 255+. We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. All bolt-in, no welding required. In addition, the engine carrier and mounting setup I believe is different between the V-8 and inline-six models? Learn how your comment data is processed. Will always be cheaper to get what you want from the get go, If a wagon is your thing, maybe find a junkyard S124 and V8 124 with a crappy body and just frankenstein them? Mrten Stngberg and his team at Team Lovetap in Sweden spent the off-season rebuilding the engine, transmission, and trunk area in their 2003 Mercedes CLK. The car rides on a Wisefab front and rear suspension with BC Racing adjustable coilovers. I haven't done much looking into the nitty gritty details myself when it comes to the electrical side of the swap, I just know it's becoming increasingly more prevalent. As, If the OP sends me a container with subject vehicle, m119.970 + donor 400E and $25k I can make it work in a few months. I owned a supra before this car and miss it. you should check on 190rev there's more tuning types there than here. Bolt starter to transmission later. The engine is mated to a Tex Racing T101a four-speed dogbox using a Sachs Motorsports pressure plate, Tenaci Motorsport 200 mm clutch discs and flywheel. all that accumulated grease and oil. I generaly like motors bigger than4cylunless they are turbo. It's lacking power to spin the big heavy 18" AMG monoblock wheels it came with, so I'm looking into an engine swap. go the suggested 400E + LH M119 route, which gives you an 80-90% chance of success. Probably $15k min, but you'd have a torque monster that'd be just as interesting (or more) than a V8 S124. I have a mint condition M104 I6 3.2L and the transmission is mint, so is the diff. these are quite uncommon. Also note that the 1992 M119 engine is a KE-Jetronic engine, whereas the M119 as used in the 500E is LH-Jetronic, and the injection as used on the M104 you mentioned is HFM (essentially Motronic). It replaced the M103 and was replaced by the M112 V6 starting in 1997. I have a 1990 190E 2.6the straight six just isnt cutting it performance wise. Im leaning towads the AMG C36, sounds like a real nice setup. The factory VQ35DE V6 has given way to a turbocharged Mercedes M104 inline-six mated to a Samsonas H-pattern transmission. Unrelated but tied to the M104 is the crumbling wiring issue, and evaporator failure. BenzWorld.org forum is one of the largest Mercedes-Benz owner websites offering the most comprehensive collection of Mercedes-Benz information anywhere in the world. Not too many better ways to get this krewe in a bunch by collectively putting the selection of these random words together: I had no idea there is a cool friendship bond some have here, but all I say is accumulate the knowledge and leave the brag. : 119975 12 021689 Transmission: 722366 04 102785 744U Brilliant Silver 7181 Stratus Gray (cladding) 268 E420 I can still find/source a good E420, any idea of the prices how much should I be paying for a car with not near to immaculate but runs and drives strong with no rust spots and corrosions with no accidents or damage reports. I used 400E brakes, but the nicest is using 95 SL 600 brakes up front and rearThe rear are vented rotors instead of solidI've seen racing slicks lock up with 190Es and no ABS with these brakesBut be prepared for another $1200. Is that a street car? Convert the E320 into a coupe, THEN do the engine swap. Mrten will lower the power to around 860 whp while . Im no where near having all of the funds to do thisproject withwere probably looking at like a year or two down the road. Learn how your comment data is processed. Using the original 190E A/C manifold hoses not work entirely either. BenzWorld.org forum is one of the largest Mercedes-Benz owner websites offering the most comprehensive collection of Mercedes-Benz information anywhere in the world. It is the newer 24valve m104 engine. The site includes MB Forums, News, Galleries, Publications, Classifieds, Events and much more! And if so is there no way around it? Inside the car you find a custom six-point roll cage, Takata 6-point harness, Sparco Evo 2 seats. Engine Swap Depot. Use your original engine mounts and exhaust downpipe, these are a direct fit to the m104. An additional option is to have a high pressure diagnostic port installed as well since this port will be lost from switching to the M104 A/C manifold. I believe you are correct that it came with a V6. Use it however you wish or block it off. The factory VQ35DE V6 has given way to a turbocharged Mercedes M104 inline-six mated to a Samsonas H-pattern transmission. Mercedes w203 Engine Swap "The Plan" (Pt.1) M271|M104|M111 Ricer Benz 4.27K subscribers Join Subscribe 143 Share 10K views 2 years ago M111 turbo Video link :. JavaScript is disabled. Aftermarket is obviously with the LS. Navigation Menu . The stock 3.8L Euro has 218bhp and I have flowmaster exhaust, an intake from a 420SEL, (It bolts right on), and a crane cams ignition. Most E420's do not have ASR nor heated seats. easist way for me would be add two injector before throttle body, let a a along ecu to fire them with rpm sensing. Behind the engine sits a five-speed manual transmission taken from a BMW E46 3.0d and connected via a bell housing from a Mercedes 2.7 CDI. BMW broke the hearts of many fans worldwide with the debut of the E90 generation of their M3 sports car. Additionally, the high pressure hose is slightly longer and uses a 90 degree bend that is not compatible with a 190E 2.6 A/C condenser. I would reduce the length by half a centimeter. AMG would be nice and or a V8. There are two approaches to getting the wiring completed for this swap. Originally Posted by Kestas. I did all the swaps and all the work myself. Also depends if you are willing to take on a "mechanic's special" that is cheap because they couldn't figure out what's wrong with it. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Im gonna have to work my ass off to be able to do the work on this benzbut it will all be worth it in the end. Anyone with experience in HFM swaps care to shed some light as to exactly what I need to pull out of the donor 124? Biggest problem isint fuel, if u cant retard ignition according to boost then eventually u have some major engine failure. I was just giving you a hard time. It was built for the track and drifting. We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. CIS 4 prong sensor is now located at the water pump so this needs to be lengthened. 1- the M104.980 should be direct one due o the similarity with my M103 2.6 CIS system, but I need to have the ECU, the EZL and the harness. ugh! The sedan originally came with a 3.0 L M103 12v Read More Mercedes W124 with a 1000 hp Turbo M104 Inline-Six 1994 Mercedes Wagon with a Turbo LSx - Part 14 July 9, 2018 W124 Secure engine to hoist and lift to remove. Im very glad Ive discovered this thread as when I started the swap in January this wasnt posted yet, Im mechanically minded but new to cars and electrics in general, any pointer will be much appreciated, thanks! We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. You must log in or register to reply here. Way back in 2007, we were presented with an interesting engine swap. Hello, I'm new to the Mercedes world, just picked up a 1993 190e 2.6 sportline 5spd manual for my daily driver. Lengthen and connect the 3 prong connector under fuel distributor for airflow potentiometer (brown/green, blue/black, blue/green), Lengthen and connect the 1 prong coolant temperature sensor (green), Lengthen and connect the 2 prong coolant temperature sensor (brown, green), Lengthen and connect cold start valve wire, Longer CIS 4 prong coolant temperature sensor. MBWorld member Gen3Benz had the ambitious plan of stuffing an LS1 V8 motor under the hood of his W201. With such a light car I don't think you need more than 300. haha, no worries! So my question and a big debate in my mind is how practical it is for a swap of M119 from a 1992 500 SL into a W124 E320 1994, If I would get positive vibes I'll have both cars complete and in running conditions, w124 being near to immaculate and r129 being not in so great condition. Once all the wiring is laid out it is pretty simple to figure out. As a side note, the block has over 150k on it and the bores are still within a thou of origional specs, there are no ring marks at the top and you can still see the factory cross-hatch. Include wire from ground at ignition coil bracket. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Probably $5k for the engine, $1.5k for the tranny, and the cost of the computer plus labor, figer 9-12. Yeah, I've got a thread going over there too. Then swap in a 2.65-2.82 differential (in place of the 2.24 granny gears) and, optionally, a 5.0L engine. It doesn't get over 300 horsepower but its pretty quick. To swap a non V8 w124 into LH V8 spec would require the following parts changing: Wouldn't it be fun to have a 500e wagon? And isn't the M119.960 slightly wider and taller, making the fit into a 124 even harder? and the other thing you have a mercedes not a honda or a toyota if you want performance and the tuning spirit get a honda.. these cars arent really geared toward performance and to modify them for it will cost you some change. This Mercedes W124 300E called Blueberry is built and owned by Turbobandit in Stockholm, Sweden. It barely sticks now when floored. Picture time, A few more things for anyone wanting to do the swap. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. __________________. Well my 93 had a 2.85:1 rear diff, and rear sub frame mods r highly recommendedSuspension, well Eibachs is what I useIf you want roll bars, Delsing 500E rollbars, with the ends cut a little to fit the 190E. 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